16 February 2010

Logical Atheism

To the believer who is questioning their faith, or to the devout who challenges atheism, the question usually comes up of what non-belief offers that religion doesn't. This is a challenge to atheism to sell itself, to appeal to the religious on the same plane that the idea of god, Mohammad or Jesus appeals to them. To me, this is a silly proposition, as the whole concept of atheism simply has no intrinsic appeal. It is a personal preference thing. Any decorative merchandising done to market it is, in my opinion, hijacking a perfectly good model of sanity. Atheism is simply the lack of belief in a deity; there is no doctrine, no mission statement, no cause, no motivation. This is logical atheism. It is a state of being that comes about as the conclusion of several logical realizations. When someone asks, "Why atheism?" the response is, "There just is no evidence to the contrary."

Christopher Hitchens makes a compelling argument when posed with the question of what comfort atheism offers that religion cannot: there is no sadistic Big Brother surveillance watching over your every move and your every thought, checking you against an arbitrary list of rights and wrongs, judging you every step of the way. The point is missed, though, when one starts to further justify atheism along the same worry. Atheism alone will not give you courage when you are scared. Atheism alone will not keep you company when you are alone. Atheism does not lend itself to the unintelligent and unresourceful. If someone desires these comforts from an ideology, atheism is not for them. Instead, it is then necessary for them to concoct from their imagination a scenario in which they are loved by a watchful creator. Belief typically defies all scientific logic and certainly labels one who follows it as willfully involved in the fantastic.

Many intelligent religious folks acknowledge science and its complete separation from faith, but there are those whose faith relies on the supposed dysfunction of logic and science. It is, however, too easy to dismiss these arguments. The simplest logical conclusion for atheism has already been stated: there is no evidence to prove the existence of god. Until evidence is found, the only logical conclusion to reach is that there is none. Further conclusions can be made simply by deflecting the justifications for religion:

"The bible says..." - This is circular reasoning. One still needs proof of the worth of anything contained in any "holy" text.
"85% of the world believes..." - This is an appeal to popularity. Just because someone else believes (even someone really respected) doesn't mean it is true.
"God speaks to me..." - This is personal testimony, which I deconstructed in my previous post.
"It's a miracle that..." - The only thing that is miraculous is the blatant denial of all the instances in which an event didn't happen. Like in the case of the 1-month-under-the-rubble Haiti earthquake survivor; why doesn't god get credit for the 200,000 people he killed rather than the one he kept alive?
"You can't prove there is no god." - The beauty of atheism is that it has no burden of proof. Faith makes the positive claim of existence thus it should be the one to supply proof. I will expand later on the absurdity of this argument.
"You can't make something out of nothing..." - You can't assume that because something is too complicated to understand that it must have come from an intelligent creator. This fallacy is also known as god of the gaps.

The list goes on, but the argument always returns to the burden of proof that belief has yet to fulfill. What is brought instead is an appeal to necessity, a proposal of the worth of belief. When one states the benefits of religion, it is no better an argument than stating Scientology's track record for drug rehabilitation. (Impressive, but at what cost?) All this proves is the influence of religion and a demonstration of its use. Alas, I am not stating that atheism is "better" (at least not in this paragraph), this is an existential debate at the moment. To me, the judgment of better/best is irrelevant in the face of what is real and not real. Any attempt of religion to argue on the basis of reality usually disintegrates into bumbling hilarity. Even devout religious scientists and scholars are careful to keep their faith separate from their practice and those that don't end up with their unscientific findings easily disproved. Evidence and universal application, not sentiment, are the requirements for something to be determined as reality.

As a religious person may claim, god exists apart from the physical world. Admittedly, the argument for atheism is based largely on religion's inability to establish itself within apparent reality. This is not a weakness, but an intrinsic value of a bare-bones argument. Logically, there can be no "pro-atheism" arguments, only "anti-theism" ones, because you cannot prove that something doesn't exist. This is why the Flying Spaghetti Monster and the Invisible Pink Unicorn arguments exist; if theists would just acknowledge that the burden of proof rests with them, atheists would be able to make several other points to compound their argument:

1. The scope of the universe is so vast and complicated that to assume creation is a cop-out. Why not simply acknowledge that we don't know everything yet?
2. The gods of modern day are different than the gods of yesteryear, yet they are worshiped by their followers with the same conviction. This should, at the very least, cast some doubt.
3. The logical conclusion of the observation of multiple faiths is that either only one is correct or none of them are. This is one of the first realizations that I made early in life that pointed me to where I am now.
4. The very fact that a person may convert or switch faiths belies god's man-made origins. It is one thing to adjust your philosophy in life. It is quite another to hedge your bets on which way is more suitable for you.

Logical atheism is not usually the starting point that people find themselves at when they begin to question their faith, it is the conclusion that one finds after questioning the world around them enough to completely shake off the necessity to compensate for the supernatural. The crack forms as a little voice in one's head becomes louder. The voice starts to question the truth and applicability of the stories being told, the fears being held, and the facts unknown. Eventually, with enough searching and enough learning, the security of comfort and community that belief deliberately provides (read: sells) gives way to doubt and doubt gives way to truth. The only choice one must make at this point is either to keep believing in the fantasy or to restructure their approach to reality. My personal experience is slightly different, as my exposure to religion while growing up was light-handed and mostly observational. All it took was the failure of the supposed benefits of faith to manifest themselves for me to start on a path of questioning. I thankfully did not have to put up with the self-doubt created by the insistence of others that faith works if you believe harder.

This brings me to the frustration I feel towards the concept of belief. Being that atheism is what you get when you strip away all of the unsubstantiated items from your world view, it becomes apparent that religious belief is unabashedly unnecessary and artificial. It is baggage that is patched onto our psyches early in life with its adhesive reinforced with thumb tacks, staples and crazy glue administered throughout the course of our lives by delusional missionaries and mindless acolytes. Besides, receiving religious guidance from the church is a lot like asking the barber if you need a haircut. In the case of my sister, who became a born-again Christian, religion was crammed into the hole bored by hours of church-sponsored group therapy aimed at making her externalize her physical illness and attitude-induced familial ostracization. The fact that atheism, for many, can only be achieved through psychiatric deconstruction is a testament to the persuasiveness of the vast fiction that religious society unnecessarily introduces to our collective consciousness.

It cannot be said that atheism is better than belief, just as it cannot be said the other way around. This is a judgment call for an individual to make. Is atheism a more accurate representation of reality? Indeed. Now it is up to an individual to decide what is more important to them: reality or belief. Far be it from me to condemn one's choice to subsist on fantasy. However, it should be said that whatever benefits one seeks religion for have their parallels with non-belief. One can achieve all the same morals, bonds, possessions, comforts and passions with atheism as they can with belief, just in different (and, I argue, more genuine) fashions. If you want to learn how a non-believer can be a good person, look in the direction of humanism, whose virtues over religion shall be shared at a later date. One notable difference, though, is there is no letdown at the end of your life when your conscience blinks out like an old TV and no afterlife succeeds it. Then again, you won't be aware enough to be disappointed.

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  1. Can a character of a computer program prove that the programmer exists? Can someone in the matrix prove they are in a computer construct? The bounds of the programs disallow escaping the mainframe itself. In truth, it is impossible for someone to 'prove' or 'disprove' God's existence. The most logical position is not atheism, it is agnosticism. Positing there is no God is just as faith-based as positing that there is one. To be the most reasonably skeptical, agnosticism is the game. Otherwise, you are jumping just as far as the theist (if not further)...

    99% of what is being refuted by Hitchens/Dawkins/Harris/Pinker/Dennett (for what little logical refutation they actually do) is of straw man religions. It is easy to refute fundamentalism. But that is not a majority of religions...

    I have no problem with non-belief in God; what really gets me is the lack of humility about the extent of human knowledge that atheists hold, and further, their failure to admit that much of the things we as humans believe are necessarily grounded in 'faith,' or belief without proof...
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  2. Nguyễn Nhân Trí: Thanks!

    Kev: It seems you've missed the point. Confusion is not logic. It is both limitless and inefficient to ponder any more evidence than what we've been given. That is why agnosticism is not logical. If you enter into the realm of agnosticism, you open yourself up to an unlimited amount of suppositions. Once again: the burden of proof is on the side that makes the positive claim. If you claim that we are anything more than is apparent, you must provide evidence for it or else there is no sense in discussing it. The goal here is not to be reasonable with logic, it is to be logical through reason.

    Have you even read Dawkins?

    If I suppose to you that our universe is part of an atom that makes up the sole of a (much) larger being's shoe, does this mean that you must, by decree of logic, consider my viewpoint on the same weight of there being a god that loves you and hates bacon? No, its ludicrous. It is not logical, just fantastic and exhaustive.

    I am totally missing your point about the knowledge that humans possess. I think any intelligent person realizes that there is so much more to learn about the world and that is why we have scientists and the scientific process. There is no faith involved, only hypothesis, experiment and observation. That, my friend, is humility. We are so unsure of our knowledge that we must rigorously test it to make sure it is so.
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  3. Each religion has its proof, whether we accept that proof or not. Many religions do not conflict with any theory of science or logic, leading to the conclusion that agnosticism is the most reasonable position to be at on those accounts. I read your previous posts under the heading "atheism" and in one post you fancied yourself a "hard atheist," positing that God does not exist. Even if you reject all of the religions which you have experienced (which I truly doubt are many. I mean that not as an affront to you, but to the whole Neo-Atheist movement, whose willingness to sacrifice Christianity on the altar of "logic" while leaving Buddhism and Hinduism unrefuted needs much more work before I will jump in with both feet. The fact that it is highly politicized in favor of the visceral Democratic views of Christianity does not help that cause, since Buddhism is left untouched - nay, even praised by Harris in The End of Faith. If we are going to refute religion, lets refute all of it before claiming there is no God.), and even if the God of Christianity is only a dream, it does not follow that there is no God. It follows that God could exist but does not abide within the constraints people have put upon Him. The certainty that there is no God, which you put forth, is one not of logical deduction, but of faith. All of the evidence has not been refuted, even though you claim there is no evidence in the first place. As a lawyer, I cannot prove a case by simply dismissing the evidence the other side has given by saying 'That is not evidence.' I must take the time to refute each bit before building my case. Atheism therefore has a very large task indeed before it before making the claim "I have proved there is no God" or even justifiably saying "I do not believe the evidence allows for the existence of God." Agonists escape having to view all the evidence, in saying that the question either does not matter, or leads to the belief that the value of the evidence is not supportive either way...

    I certainly agree, many religions can be easily refuted out of hand - many in the examples in which you gave above in this post. But others are not so black and white...

    I did read The God Delusion. The biology was fascinating, but the logic was rubbish... Dawkins is by far the weakest of the Neo-Atheist, and I am disappointed by the vast quantity of "thinking" people who invest totally in his writings. Schopenhauer, Sartre, and Neitzsche are much more my style, and much more logically committed than their recent counterparts, Schopenhauer especially...
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  4. (continued)

    To clarify where I was not totally transparent on the idea of faith & humility, it bothers me that the only 'faith' atheists see as 'faith' is religious faith. This is because we take much of the world in based on faith and unprovable notions. I am not talking about scientific theory/laws here, in which when I step out of a plane with a chute it takes 'faith' to believe my chute will slow my terminal velocity to such speeds that I will not be crushed by the fall. Repetition ensures scientific theory requires no 'faith' to come to such conclusions, since it is by now a 'science,' appropriately termed. What I mean is that we accept on faith every news report we choose to believe, everything we are taught in school, and every scientifically unprovable notion we are given throughout life (some that come to mind include logical/mathematical truth [which are held to be true on their own weight on faith and presupposed by science] or ethical statements [it is impossible to scientifically prove that cheating on your wife is inherently wrong, or the slaughter of the jews was inherently wrong during WWII]). We arrive at many of the conclusions we do every day through faith. In fact, though I am not a young-earth creationist and think the corresponding theories absurd, you rely on faith to come to the conclusion that they are wrong. This is because you believe (without physical proof) that actual dinosaur bones were found (you have never actually found them in the ground and subsequently done a DNA analysis to ensure they are actually the bones of reptilian prehistoric animals), you believe the experts know what they are saying is correct (though you do not know what they know or how they learned it), you believe the writer who wrote up the story which convinced you of this fact actually did their homework and is not a liar or crazy person (though you cannot know this because you do not know them), and you believe the scientific process itself is pure enough and reliable enough to lead to such conclusions about the found material (acceptance of the scientific theory is itself one of faith, since it is not possible to prove by science that the scientific theory inherently works). This whole chain is made of things that you accept by faith, which atheists ridicule in others. If you kept a tally of that which you believe without actual physical proof every day (which is itself undermined by the fact that you have faith that this world is real and not some sort of matrix or dream world), 'faith' would not be as absurd as many make it out to be...

    Clearer?
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  5. In conclusion, that is why Hume makes the most sense for those who want to base their lives on being rational only. We have no reason to believe any other way if we are unwilling to make any 'faith' assertions. but beware that reasoning, because it leads to much more than not believing in God, and Descartes' "Cogito ergo sum" will quickly become us...
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  6. Kev: We'll just keep going around in circles if you keep claiming my stance is faith. I am simply saying that I DON'T believe. This is not faith. It is a state of no faith. If we put it in mathematical terms, the observable universe is normalized: zero. PLEASE recognize that acknowledging the observable universe does not require faith to see. Any claim or supposition one makes that deviates from the observable universe adds a modifier: +1. My view is that of 0 and religion's view is that of 1, 2, 3, -87 or whatever number NOT zero. In fact any spirituality, religion, fantasy or delusion deviates from the 0 point in some fashion. My argument is ONLY about the 0 point and nothing more.

    In any case, I have yet to see any evidence of god. Feel free to let me know an example. While you're at it, let a few of those institutions with million dollar prizes know as well, so they can finally award the money and declare for all that there is a god.

    Regarding science and the "faith" it requires to believe the scientists... well, there is something called peer review. Then there are assumptions other scientists make based on the findings of others. If you aren't aware of the butterfly effect, consider that if one scientist is wrong, the rest who follow their findings will also be wrong to an even greater degree. From there, shit just wouldn't work. But shit DOES work. Not only that, it isn't like I am so far removed from the scientific community that I take everything "on faith." My 17 year old INTERN builds atom smashers in her spare time, so I get to discuss with her about physics and other fun subjects. (Congrats, Heidi, on your acceptance into MIT!) If I want to know something about plants, I just send an email to a childhood friend who is a botanist studying on a NASA grant. These people wouldn't LIE to me, would they? To assume that the information we obtain from scientists who are put through rigorous processes of proof is taken on faith is like insisting that I need to run a full round of tests before I determine that I should leave my apartment through the door rather than the window. Once again, you're introducing exhausting confusion to the mix and it is unnecessary.
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  7. To say "I DON'T believe in God," as if it requires no justification to not believe in something, does not alleviate the burden of proof for you. If this were the case, I could say "I DON'T believe God does not exist," and it would do the same. For you not to believe in global climate change requires you to prove why, just as me saying I DO believe in it does... In fact, when there is a scientific consensus toward one conclusion, a disproving of the theory requires overcoming all of the previous research and a subsequent building of one's own case, which can almost be said to be a higher standard of proof. Consensus is toward faith on this matter, as is a majority of the literature. If you wish to apply scientific standards to religion, do it uniformly at least. Though you no doubt will respond with a contention of the fallacy of appeal to authority, the way in which you have portrayed the scientific process above leads to the same problem...
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  8. Kev: By your reasoning, the only way to make a sane statement is to acknowledge every viewpoint and supposition that is made as "possible." This, in turn, makes it insane on a practical level. As only one conclusion can be true, we can use Occam's Razor to cut them down to the simplest: the zero point. This zero point exists as the best known representation of our reality. Without a doubt, there will be conflicting evidence on some points that come along in the future... that is exactly what science is all about. Until that point, as we cannot predict where those points will be (or else we'd already know them), the evidence we have now is all we have to go on.

    Don't give up the search for different explanations, but always remember that the reason why we are where we are today is because our understanding of the basic laws of our universe allows us to manipulate them in an accurate and predictable fashion. If science didn't work, we wouldn't be able to have this conversation.
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  9. Big issue here: Positive atheism is a positive philosophical claim. It asserts a universal negative (~exist any X such that X can be properly called omnipotent, omniscient and omnibenevolent) that cannot, like it or not, be shown by reason alone or simply by an appeal to empirical processes. The other issue here is, that implicit in your whole post is the notion that the only things we can know are things that are known by scientific observation. There are a whole host of vital things that are left out, such as (what K.J. noted) our inability to prove that other minds exist.
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  10. 1. The scope of the universe is so vast and complicated that to assume creation is a cop-out. Why not simply acknowledge that we don't know everything yet?

    Okay, we don't know everything yet. Why is it wrong for me to have faith that ultimately God will be shown to play a role in creation? I don't believe in a God who exists only in the gaps. However, I do believe--yes, a matter of faith--that some gaps will remain un-filled by anything but God, by design.

    2. The gods of modern day are different than the gods of yesteryear, yet they are worshiped by their followers with the same conviction. This should, at the very least, cast some doubt.

    Not nearly enough doubt, especially if one holds to any notion of progressive revelation.

    3. The logical conclusion of the observation of multiple faiths is that either only one is correct or none of them are.

    Yes, but there's more room for charity than you are advertising. For instance the Catholic Church teaches that it is the only correct religion, but there is lots of room for discussing degrees of truth that other religions hold, and even a fair amount of room for discussing their effectiveness in helping people to salvation.

    4. The very fact that a person may convert or switch faiths belies god's man-made origins. It is one thing to adjust your philosophy in life. It is quite another to hedge your bets on which way is more suitable for you.

    What if I'm hedging bets based on what makes the most sense of the world? I know it might sound crazy to you that anything might be able to overcome your problem of evil and "no evidence" arguments, but minds greater than ours have found ways. To be honest, God makes the most sense of lots of things for me; things that are complicated by God--including evil--are made up for. Part of the problem is that I do see evidence, of a type you probably wouldn't admit even if I see it as being of sound character. So for me, there goes the "no evidence" argument. As to the problem of evil, the problem of good overwhelms it in my mind. I am not suggesting that nonbelievers can do no good. I am simply suggesting that there is little philosophical imperative to do so if one does not believe in a transcendent good. Note that here I am speaking of philosophical difficulties, as distinct from emotional difficulties. I shall concede that conversion from Christianity to other faiths does trouble me as a Christian.

    One last thing: This idea with varying explicitness that religious belief is a comfort... It's mildly comforting to realize that at the end I'll be in right relationship with the persons who are there. It's discomforting that some people might not be there. Even if I know that the Love of God will be enough then, in some ways it is cold comfort now. Factor in the existence of dark forces (be they simply people more influenced by evil than others, or truly positively existing demons)...Yes, it's fantastical! But the world is fantastical. That doesn't make it unreasonable, but more dangerous than it would be otherwise. So sure, it's a comfort sometimes, but it's also scary as hell.

    Anyway, these posts always give me some food for thought. I'm pretty sure of the existence of actual evidence of God, so it's somewhat of a peripheral issue to me whether the default position is atheism or agnosticism, but good food for thought nonetheless, because it's good for me to have my own suppositions challenged!
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  11. Thank you for clarifying what I could not in your first post Dan.

    I am also of the position that evidence for God exists, but even if you posit that it does not, a claim that evidence suggests there is no God stands refuted by the same sword...

    I also do not believe the response to my latest comment logically follows from the ideas presented. Essentially, the fact that science exists, as you say, and the idea that we can observe things in a uniform way is not a strike against religion, it is a tallied win for the idea of design. Accordingly, I agree fully with the second paragraph of Andrew's second paragraph...
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  12. Dan: Thanks for reading and thanks for your input to the debate.

    The funny thing here is that I'm not even talking on the philosophical plane. I'm talking about a defined sector of existence: our shared reality. I define this shared reality by what Philip K. Dick described as "that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away." This is the "zero point" that I keep mentioning in these comments. It does not take any belief to ackowledge this point. Because our shared reality does not include god, he is not considered in scope. I am not making a positive claim, only commenting on what is present.

    I hope that I have finally distanced myself from any faith now, that I can successfully differentiate my views from yours. I don't operate on faith; you do (or at least are arguing on the side of it). You lose me when you start to mention salvation because the entire argument falls apart if you've failed to prove the existence of god within reality. I don't even like debating good and evil because it is not only subjective, it is obvious (to me) that we all have the capacity for both. Somehow, it makes sense after so many hours studying social psychology, neuropsychology and biology. I have done a lot of good in my short life (pardon me for bragging) and I do things like author this blog and run my forum with ONLY the intention of benefit. I don't need someone who is under an imperative to posit over my own "morality."
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  13. What if my definition of shared reality includes God, who--being constant, if He does exist--certainly doesn't stop existing just because you or I stop believing in Him? The problem still seems one of presupposition. I don't necessarily call that faith, but it's not something that can be reasoned right to. If you disagree about whether or not you are engaging in any presupposition at all, then we might just have to disagree, because it seems to me that you are. If I'm wrong, then screw me! Who cares what I think?

    Salvation/soteriology was mentioned merely to note that only one religion being correct need not mean that all others are totally wrong and completely misguided. It wasn't intended to lose anyone or to really make an argument, it was only intended to knock down the false impression of the exclusivity of religious truth that might be gathered (as in, not that you put it there on purpose) from your statement. Good and evil are tricky things. I agree with your note about capacity, and I'm glad you're out here trying to do some good in the world. Keep searching for Truth!
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